Paxil is forever – can you quit? – addiction and withdrawal

This is part two of a 2002 article about Paxil marketing and withdrawal by Beth Hawkins.

Listen to enough people who can’t seem to stop taking Paxil and you start to notice a common thread: When they first ask a doctor about their withdrawal, they all too often hear that whatever they are experiencing, it has nothing to do with Paxil. They are routinely told that any “discontinuation effects” should clear up in a few days. When they are still ill a week, two weeks, or sometimes months later, they may be told that the symptoms signal a return of their depression.

About a year ago, Randi Morrison (not her real name) drove herself to the emergency room. The diarrhea and upset stomach that had been dogging her for weeks just kept getting worse and worse. She’d lost a lot of weight and started having crying jags. Her family was panicked. At the ER, it didn’t occur to her to tell anyone that she’d been weaning herself slowly off Paxil for weeks. And it didn’t occur to the hospital staff that after eight years of taking the drug, she might be addicted. “They first said I had an eating disorder,” Morrison recalls. “The [doctor] asked me if I had a ‘fond liking’ of laxatives. Then she asked me how much methamphetamine I had done that day. No one ever asked me what medication I was on, what else was going on. I think they just drew conclusions.”

When it finally occurred to Morrison, a Brooklyn Park resident, to mention that she had become ill when she began decreasing her Paxil dosage, “they said, ‘then obviously you need to be on this medication.’ And me not knowing it was the medication causing it, I agreed. I felt kind of lethargic for a couple of days, but my stomach problems went away and I stopped–mostly–crying.”

Morrison tried again to quit Paxil in the winter, with the help of her psychiatrist. Again, she spent a couple of months tapering off the drug. But this time the effects were worse than before. “By the time I took the last pill, I was okay for a day or two,” she recounts. “On day three, I was incredibly tired. I had to call in sick to work. I mostly just slept that day. But as the week went on it just turned into a fucking nightmare. One minute I was bawling, the next I was enraged.”

“I remember wanting to stab my mom with a fork,” she continues. “I went to staring at a blank wall and laughing. I had tremors. I would be really hot and shaky at some times, and I was sweating tons and tons of this rancid, metallic sweat. I got these electrical zaps if I turned my head, or even just from eye movement.

“I called the doctor and was told to go back on it and then try tapering off again. I hung up on him. I called pharmacists and they said there was no proof that this stuff even occurred. So I hung up on them.”

A hairdresser with a hefty client list, Morrison quit going to work. “It’s incredibly hard work to make people feel pretty when you feel like shit,” she says. “It was like getting off crack, for chrissakes.”

Tales like Morrison’s don’t make Kevin Turnquist so much as blink. “If you spend an hour online, you’ll know as much about this as the majority of general practitioners,” he says. Indeed, more than 25 percent of psychiatrists and nearly 75 percent of other physicians are unaware that patients might have trouble discontinuing the drug, according to the Harvard Mental Health Letter.

One of the differences between Paxil and its pharmaceutical cousins is its half-life, the length of time the drug takes to leave a person’s system. Whereas Prozac lingers in the body for two to four days, Paxil wears off in about 20 hours. And a short half-life is one characteristic that can make a drug habit-forming. “The brain likes things to change very gradually,” explains Turnquist.

In 1993, five months after Paxil went on the market in the United States, a study presented at the American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting found that up to 42 percent of individuals suffered withdrawal symptoms when they stopped taking the drug. At the same time, Great Britain’s counterpart to the FDA, the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, reported 78 cases of Paxil withdrawal.

In fact, since 1994 some 16 studies found “withdrawal syndrome” in up to half of individuals attempting to quit taking SSRIs; all the studies noted that the problem was the worst with Paxil. In an Australian study, Paxil caused withdrawal three times as often as Zoloft and four times as often as Prozac. (The second-highest rate of withdrawal is reported with another SSRI with a short half-life, Luvox.)

A Canadian study found that a number of women who took Paxil during the last trimester of their pregnancies gave birth to babies that went through withdrawal. Many of the researchers concluded that the withdrawal symptoms could be mistaken as physical illness or a relapse into depression. Warnings about the withdrawal symptoms were placed on Paxil’s label in several European nations.

Yet, even as the research was suggesting that SmithKline should both change Paxil’s label and work to educate doctors about its withdrawal symptoms, the drug company seemed to be more interested in damage control. For example, in 1997, a report on more than 13,000 British patients’ experience with SSRIs concluded that Paxil was far more likely to cause withdrawal than its competitors. According to a class-action lawsuit filed against SmithKline, the company reacted by ordering its sales representatives to tell U.S. physicians that the damning study had found no difference between Paxil’s withdrawal rates and those of other antidepressants.

The company may, in fact, have known about the withdrawal symptoms much earlier, according to the suit. One hundred and eight patients who dropped out of a clinical trial of the drug told the manufacturer that they had experienced withdrawal. When it reported on the trial to the FDA, the suit alleges, the drug company reclassified these patients as having relapsed. (Typically the FDA uses only the data submitted by a pharmaceutical company when considering whether to approve a new drug.)

The watchdog organization Public Citizen has warned that the FDA is increasingly dependent on the pharmaceutical industry for funding. In 1992, under pressure from AIDS activists and drug companies, Congress passed the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, which allows manufacturers to pay the agency to review products more quickly. The move has cut the average length of time it takes to bring a new drug to market from 30 months to 15. At the same time, however, there’s been an increase in the number of drugs the agency has had to take off the market, according to the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit.

In May, Congress increased the share of the agency’s funding that comes from drug companies. The provision was neatly hidden in a rider to the $3 billion Bioterrorism Preparedness Act. Sen. Ted Kennedy, author of the rider and head of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, failed to hold a hearing on the controversial law. The pharmaceutical concerns did have to make one small concession: Recognizing that the FDA was ill-equipped to track drugs once they had hit the market, Congress ordered that some of the fees be used to monitor new drugs.

The wing of the agency that tracks adverse drug effects operates with a shoestring budget of $15 million and a staff of 72 and depends on voluntary and unreliable reporting by doctors, according to a May 2000 article in Washington Monthly. By comparison, the portion of the FDA that approves and monitors new drugs has some 1,300 employees and a budget of roughly $290 million.

It’s a far cry from the systems other countries have in place to monitor the safety of new and popular drugs. “What the Brits and the Aussies do is ask healthcare professionals to pay particular attention to possible adverse effects of both new drugs and those that are widely distributed or they are interested in,” says Larry Sasich, a research pharmacist with Public Citizen’s Health Research Group. “And they give healthcare professionals a lot more information, via a newsletter, for instance….Of course, gathering data is certainly easier in countries with national healthcare systems, because prescriptions can be tracked.”

Last December, nine years after Paxil came on the market, the FDA ordered GlaxoSmithKline to begin warning consumers that they might have trouble discontinuing Paxil. Ever PR-savvy, the company rewrote the label to note that the drug sometimes causes “discontinuation effects.” Even as it was drafting the warning, GlaxoSmithKline argued that Paxil isn’t addictive. In the company’s view, in order for a substance to be deemed addictive it must cause withdrawal symptoms that produce “drug-seeking behavior.” And who ever heard of someone jonesing badly enough to steal Paxil from their neighborhood drugstore?

Nonetheless, on August 16 Mariana Pfaelzer, the federal judge hearing Murphy’s and Morrison’s case, ordered GlaxoSmithKline to stop advertising Paxil as non-habit-forming.

“We are very disappointed in the ruling,” said David Stout, president of U.S. Pharmaceuticals at the company. “The U.S. Food and Drug Administration–and not the courts–has the expertise and responsibility for reviewing and regulating pharmaceutical ads.” The company had submitted the ad in question to the agency for review, he noted, and heard no objections.

“GSK is strongly behind the safety and efficacy of Paxil,” he continued. “Physicians’ organizations like the American Psychiatric Association have stated that antidepressants are not habit-forming. It is also important to note that the court has made no finding that Paxil is addictive or induces dependency.”

The company contacted the FDA, and two days later the agency demanded that the judge lift the ban, arguing that the court had no authority to order GlaxoSmithKline to pull the ads. The agency wanted to reserve that power for itself. Last week, Judge Pfaelzer reversed herself and allowed the company to continue airing the ads.

In 1994, Jessica Porter (not her real name) went to see her nurse practitioner for a checkup. She had lost a lot of weight, and on being quizzed by the nurse she admitted that she was depressed and anxious. “I was in a somewhat desperate space,” she recalls. “I was really unhappy and I felt like I was wasting a lot of my life.”

The nurse suggested she try Paxil. Porter was quick to agree. “I had sort of had it in the back of my mind,” she says. “I just never felt like I was sad enough to seek out therapy.” The nurse gave her a prescription for a supply of 20-milligram tablets and a pill cutter. Porter was to start out taking 10 milligrams and work her way up to 20. If she had a particularly hard time, she could increase her own dose to 30 milligrams. “It had a decent effect,” she says. “It put a floor underneath me. With the drug I still had down times and anxious times, but they were never as bad.”

Porter stayed on Paxil for three years before she started having stomach problems. By that time, the nurse she had been seeing had left her practice, and Porter didn’t feel like she could call the psychiatrist who had renewed her prescription during brief annual visits. So she just quit taking the pills on her own. After a couple of days, she began to feel electrical shocks in her head. “Every time I turned I would have these zaps,” she says. “It felt like I had blacked out for a few seconds.

“I was feeling really bad, and feeling really anxious about feeling bad,” she says. “I was thinking, ‘This is me. This is what I’m like without any drug. How can I live like this?’” She called the psychiatrist and was told to go back on the drug and begin tapering off five milligrams at a time.
After she took her last pill, however, the symptoms returned. “I sought out a therapist, but I was having so much trouble with crying that she said, ‘We need to get you on something and then we can talk.’” She went back to the psychiatrist, who put her on Prozac. The doctor assured her she’d be able to stop taking the new medication if she wanted to quit.

Porter has grown used to the idea that she’ll take an antidepressant for the rest of her life. “Still, I always have the feeling that I ought to be able to do this myself,” she confesses. “My issue about it is sort of feeling guilty about it. Like, I have a good life. I have this, I have that, I should be able to get through this.”

Porter does have one major cause for remorse, however. A onetime poet, she has stopped writing and she’s sure it’s because of the antidepressants. She can’t articulate why she can’t create while she’s on medication, but she has accepted it as an inevitable side effect.

If Kevin Turnquist were to meet her, this part of her story would probably trouble him the most. He has a theory that a lack of novel experience–good and bad–puts unhealthy stress on the human brain. “Mundane jobs, boring routines, and the absence of real struggles for survival may all prove to contribute to depression’s increasing place in society,” Turnquist wrote recently in The Humanist. “We cannot discount the possibility that the activities that seem to add diversity to our modern existence don’t provide the sort of stimulation that healthy brains thrive on.”

The latest research indicates that there is a connection between the size of the piece of the brain involved in the formation of memories, the hippocampus, and depression. “One study suggests that the hippocampus may shrink by an average of 19 percent in depression,” Turnquist reports. “Other research has found that SSRI antidepressants and shock treatment, among other factors, restore the hippocampus to more normal volume. This increase in the size of the hippocampus is now considered to be a possible mechanism by which these treatments promote recovery from depressive illness.”

In Turnquist’s experience, many of the people who have a hard time quitting SSRIs are young women. Many didn’t respond well to the drug in the first place. “What you never see are studies about the characteristics of the people who have trouble getting off of this medication,” he says. “My guess is that these are people with chronic, low-grade depression. A lot of them have had awful childhoods. Some have been abused. One of the effects of an abusive childhood is a smaller or misshapen hippocampus.

“The drug companies work like crazy to keep them out of their studies,” he continues. “When you look at the entrance requirements for these trials, they don’t want people who are suicidal, they don’t want people with long-term depression. They want people with nice, circumscribed depressions. They don’t want people who are going to sue them.”

Nor is GlaxoSmithKline likely to pony up to fund research into Turnquist’s theory. After all, a prescription to do something new and stimulating–to exercise, travel, or turn off the TV–isn’t going to do anything for the price of the company’s stock.

83 Responses to “Paxil is forever – can you quit? – addiction and withdrawal”

  1. yvonne (ireland) Says:

    need advice..ive been on seroxat since yr 2001.. spent 12 months weaning with liquid n little support from doctor..only to have major panic attack in 12th month(now down to 2ml) so psyc put me back on 20mg..said it was depression back!!!
    im now ready to try again , psyc says to go onto effexor ,,build up while decreasing seroxat..then he can help me off effexor easier.. anyone tried this method… honestly im scared.. also stated he suspects i have an over sesitivity to seratonin… wonder when that happened..problem is i get to see different psyc each time i go to clinic.. please any experience with this would be very helpful..

  2. anonymous Says:

    Hello Yvonne

    Doctors In Ireland still seem to be pretty clueless about Seroxat, despite 4 BBC documentaries about its dangers and numerous articles and websites on the internet about it.

    Usually the psychiatric services move psych doctors around making it difficult to form any kind of continuity of “treatment” from a patients perspective. Whether they do this purposely or not, I am not sure, but from experience I know it does not help the process as bonds of empathy and understanding cannot be formed between psychiatrist and patient when the system is led in this manner.

    It sounds to me like your psychiatrist does not know what he/she is doing at all. Which is not surprising considering the profession itself is based at best mostly on guesswork and at worst on random diagnoses with no basis in scientific fact. It is also a “profession” which relies heavily on pharmaceutical funding.

    As you say, the psych stated you might have an “over sensitivity to serotonin” , this doesn’t really make sense, as serotonin in its natural state in the body produces no problems. The over sensitivity you psychiatrist is referring to is the side effects from the drugs, not from you. Your adverse reactions to Seroxat are the problem , not your serotonin. Seroxat creates chemical imbalances, and a host of other problems. It also does not “cure” depression. Your psychiatrist should be treating you with talk therapy, at least in conjunction with SSRI’s, if not just on its own. Seroxat is one of the most notorious SSRI drugs, Effexor is also pretty bad, your psychiatrist is playing with your life.

    I was on Seroxat myself, and I was prescribed it by a psychiatrist originally, also my GP was useless. I suffered terribly on Seroxat but off it now a good few years and life is much easier to deal with chemical free. It is a difficult process dealing with your depression , particularly when you have been prescribed SSRI’s, because they do not help you to deal with the core reasons as to why you were depressed in the first place. So after coming off them, not only do you get withdrawal symptoms but you also have to deal with your problems and the problems caused by the drugs. This can be very difficult and you do need adequate support and guidance. Psychiatry rarely helps in these situations, remember it is in their business interest to keep you on meds, not to help you. Most psychiatrric training, bursaries, grants, sponsorship etc is paid for by the drug companies. They are literally the drug dealers of the pharmaceutical drug cartels. You are little more than an addicted and dependent “customer” to them.

    If you are based in Ireland, I would advise you to contact Michael Corry of the psychosocial institute in Dun Laoghaire, Co, Dublin. Dr Corry is an “ethical” Irish psychiatrist but he is very much aware of the dangers of all psychiatric medications and he campaigns against the corruption and disinformation perpetrated by psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry in Ireland, he also hold monthly meetings in Dun Laoghaire where he helps people to come off SSRI drugs. Psychiatrists like Michael Corry are few and far between, he genuinely cares about people who suffer because of these meds.

    This is his website :

    http://www.depressiondialogues.ie/

    and this is his address and contact number :

    2 Eden Park Dun Laoghaire

    Phone: 01 2800084 Email: admin@depressiondialogues.ie

  3. Mustafa Sazak Says:

    Hi to all. Thanks for your this nice column. My problem is, whenever i start quitting paxil, i feel great headaches, fever and dizziness. But when I start using, these effects pass. I don’t know what I’m gonna do. It seems it will last forever :(

    • sevinc Says:

      i used it for 6 months (20mg). Thats how i quit it. I cut it to 10 mg for 15 days, then 5mg for another 15 days, 2.5 mg for another 15 days, then I stopped. Its been a month now, but it is normal to have headaches,sleepness, and suicide thoughts. Just remember that’s not you, thats the side effects of the drug. be patient. all the side effects will go away eventually. good luck

  4. samara Says:

    my husband has been taking paxil, for 3 months and he has been doing really well on this, but a week ago he lost his pills and has been gone to work, for the week he has been without, well now he has came home, and he acts like a drug head with out his crack. i am fearful that he is going to lose it, how do i deal with this and how long will it take to get back in his system once he takes his first pill?

  5. samara Says:

    my husband has all the same side effects as mustafa sazak, the head aches and dizziness as well.

  6. Omar Olivares Says:

    I started to take this Paxil two days ago, and yesterday and today I have felt the electric synthoms in my head and neck……I will quit the drug immediately, I have only taken three pills so far….!

  7. stephen carson Says:

    ive been on it for 3 weeks…
    stopped cold turkey and ive been freaking out on my loved ones…
    this stuff is poison… dont take it

  8. Gerry Says:

    The bad mood swings and just generally feeling depressed are a major factor in the withdrawal effects and by just reading the article above about the issue of withdrawal, it seems clear that withdrawal effects are avoidable no matter how little drugs you take when weaning yourself of them.

  9. Mary Says:

    I’ve been on paxil since it came out….
    have tried to get off many times and when my ‘depression’ returned I started up again.
    from what you’ve said that’s a withdrawl effect.
    I’ve been suffering from MANY of the long term side effects and didn’t know paxil was the cause.
    I feel releaf and fear knowing. I’ve tapered down to 10 mg a day. now will go to 5. I want to get out from this poison.
    any suggestions will be loved.

    • Heather bateman Says:

      Change your way of thinking cognitive behavior therapy so your depression stops returning. Anti depressants are a band aid. You are what you think.

  10. truthman30 Says:

    Mary

    You must go to http://www.paxilprogress.org

    Experienced people can help you there, its a chat board about all things Paxil-Seroxat related , just register, join the group, introduce yourself and they will help you there..

    good luck :)

  11. jasic Says:

    I am suffering from major depression and anxiety, lost weight a lot,mu psyc. is suggesting to start taking Paxil but reading all of this I am afraid, and still I don’t know what to do maybe just go with cognitive behavioral therapy. But this depression wont go a way I have it for 2 years.

  12. Sharon Taranto Says:

    I have been on “aropax” as it is called here in Australia since 1999. I went on holiday in 2003 to the USA and stupidly left my meds home in Australia. After 3 days in hell (dizzyness, crying, very unbelievable nightmares, sweats etc.) I ended up in the hospital in Washington DC. That was my first and only experience so far with withdrawal. Recently I had a mental health assessment carried out by a major hospital and was told that my levels of depression were so high they were ‘off the page’. What the hell…… I am on 60mg a day of this drug, what for…….and now what can I do? How can I withdraw without going to hell and back. Also before I took it I weighed around 80 kgs and when I went on it I just kept going up and up and now weigh 115 kgs. Any advice out there for me??

  13. Cherokee Says:

    I know it can be time-consuming to update your blog but thank you for keeping me informed and entertained!

  14. Dianne Says:

    I have been on xanax and 40 mg of paxil for 15 yrs and have finally found out from my psychologist that is is an extremely dangerous addictive drug and that i need to come off of it. My doctor wanted to use another drug while coming off the Paxil to make it easier. NO WAY!! I told them I am not taking something else that 15 yrs down the road I will find out how dangerous it is. I have decreased my dose by 10 mg per day for 4 weeks. As of 2 days ago, I am decreasing it another 10 mg per day for another 4 weeks. It has horrendous side effects, destroys nero transmitters and neurons in the brain(at least it can) and cause irreversible damage to the person taking it as well as other aspects of their lives totally ruined. It changes your personality, your morals, your ways of thinking(if you can think at all), causes “chatter” in the brain that on ly you hear and its like a million people talking at one time and you cant hear anything but noise and its extremely irritating.
    Oh, and by the way…you should be having liver checkups every 6 mths while on this drug according to my drwhich I have been doing all these yrs. I am angry that I was ever started on this drug that ruins your life but am now grateful to understand things that happened in my life for which I had no control over was due to Paxil and not me losing my mind. I WILL come off this bar none whatever it takes(not drugs) it will be my biggest goal in life. i am already having side effects and withdrawals from the dosage decrease. I will persevere and PLEASE if you are on it or someone starts you on this drug…do yourself a favor and those around you…don’t take it. there is always another route. I was told it wasnt addictive that was a lie. However, to give drs the benefit of the doubt, my psychologist says 15 yrs ago it was the drug of choice to help people with panic attacks and/or seratonin levels that are too low. Now they apparently know better…at least mine does. And xanax is just as bad it also can affect your personality and make you a nut case literally just like Paxil… I’m also weaning myself off that!! I will keep everyone posted as I progres thru this awful mess. god bless those dealing with it.

    • Doug K Says:

      Hi Dianne,
      I was wondering how you feel now that it is February of 2011?
      I have been on Paxil for 13 years, but have never had any bad side effects taking it. I tried cold turkey once to stop but I felt really anxious. I am on 40mg a day but have cut it to 30mgs a day. Feeling ok so far, but want to cut down 5mgs a month and eventually try to wean off completely.
      If you have been on Xanax for 15 years that is really bad. Were you taking it daily? Xanax is for occasional and short term use. If you took it daily for 15 years that can really screw up your brain.
      I hope you are doing better, and wonder how you are feeling now in 2011?
      Thank you, Doug K.

  15. Beverly Says:

    Help, Have been on Paxil for thirteen years. My new Family Doctor placed me on Lexapro for 6 weeks which I could not take and now on Prozac for 6 weeks. Have been having high amount of anxiety, insomnia, and dry heaves in AM. Can you still have withdrawal symptoms from Paxil even though you are taking another SSRI?

  16. helen Says:

    hi everyone
    ive been on seroxat {uk} for ten years and spentt about a year tapering off,recently my gp suggested i change to citalopram 20 mg wich i did.i experienced horrendous side effects so after only 10 days i stopped,my gp said the side effects were most likely withdrawel from the seroxat,i havent taken seroxat for 3 weeks now and feel like shit,my gp knows how strongly i feel about quitting this drug and is supporting me,she told me how bad the side effects would be and advised me to take up exersise and omega 3 wich i have,im so scared right now and have to keep reminding myself this is the drug withdrawal and not me going mental.
    i withdrew from seroxat about 5 years ago and stayed off for a year,i went to my gp feeeling a bit shitty and was immediatly put back on them!!!!that makes me so angry now,,,,,all advice gratefully recieved,

  17. jana Says:

    I have been on paxil for 10 years, I have wanted to stop for a long time, a year ago I started to reduce the dose 5mg at a time, I went from 42.5 mg cr to 40 mg regular paxil, I am now down to 15mg, done fine until a week ago I had a panick attack, I feel nerves alot, But I will make it I know, what is normal anyway?

    • Doug K Says:

      Hi,
      When you started to lower your dosages, what mg did you lower each time, and how long did you stay on that dosage until you lowered it again? How are you feeling now? Feb, 2011?
      Thank you, DK

  18. Sara Smith Says:

    Hi – a few years back I self medicated paxil (bought on Internet). I took for about 3 weeks and then decided to quite (can’t remember exactly why). I stopped taking and I did have some side effects like the electric effect, but not too bad and it wore off after a few weeks.
    So anyway, now I am thinking of going back to paxil, but I read all these nightmare stories and it makes me cautious. I want to ask people if these withdrawal effects are different for different people, and if I took it before for 3 weeks and came off ok, can I expect the same sort of withdrawal after 6 months on it? Or can I expect worse?

  19. Constantine Says:

    I have been on paxil for a month and well I just got off it about a month ago and all I can say is that it is a drug from hell. I had the worst withdrawl symptoms and I felt like i was going to die. The emotional instability was the worst thing. I was crying one moment and then I was pissed off and angry. I am still having severe headaches from getting off this drug. The drug is of Satan, and I would not recommend this drug to anyone not in a million years.

  20. Marie Says:

    I took Paxil for about 7 years, weaned off them in 2009. I’ve been Paxil-free (and also antidepressant/med free) for almost one year now, and still experience side effects. Perhaps the Paxil destroyed my brain”s ability to recover enough serotonin, I don’t know. But it has been nothing short of a complete nightmare, pure hell and pain beyond description. I continue to suffer from agonizing “spasms” and feel many times worse than I ever did when I was initially prescribed Paxil. Every day is a struggle but I am determined never to take this vile drug again. God help me.

  21. leticia Says:

    After 6 months I left paxil.

    IT WAS LIVING HELL

    FOR REAL

    The worst experience in my life, but I encourage you to do this, to take the handles of your life for goo.

    I have a couple of videos of my detox and I would like to upload them to help mpeople with the symptoms and to not feel alone.

  22. Yasmina Says:

    Has anyone successfully sued because of Paxil withdrawal symptoms?

    • admin Says:

      Not yet, I’m afraid… who knows what 2011 might bring…?

      • Doug K Says:

        I don’t think you can sue if they warn you of the withdrawal symptoms that may occur ahead of time, and you wean off according to how they say. It’s like taking any drug (like the ads on TV), if they warn you of symptoms and side effects ahead of time they are protecting themselves, and you take the drug at your own risk. They warn you of potential risks, but it’s still ultimately your choice to take it even if a doctor recommends it.

  23. Pennie BOyd Says:

    I have been on Paxil for about 7 years. I have severe panic attacks that will leave me quite debilitated if I don’t take the Paxil. I have had no side effects from it except weight gain and find that I can drink alcohol without any effects. What I am concerned about is the long term effects of taking Paxil. Can it be taken for life or must I try to get off it eventually??

  24. S Says:

    Has anyone else developed a heart condition while discontinuing Paxil. Tachycardia, Arrhythmia ?

  25. Al Says:

    I hate Paxil god help us all. I been on 40mg for over 4yrs since I came home from Iraq. I been off it for a week completely now. I was tapering down 5mg every 7-10days. God its hell, I’m only 26yrs old and experiencing these withdrawls god no wonder drug companies can still kill people and not be blamed. Once marijuana comes out no side effects besides your a smoker that can cause lung cancer. When in reality thats the antidote to this fricken pill. I have upset stomach feel like I am going to puke but can’t everyday, feel dizzy, have hot flashes, night sweats, headaches or migraines, tunnel vision a whole bunch of shit I never once experienced only on generic paxil. Will this go away, how long does this hangover take to get rid of honestly? I feel good when I am doing something but the moment I stop for a couple seconds bam I get hit with all these effects. Honestly I am not going to ER or Urgent Care, nor am I calling my doctor to get put on something else like she mentioned. Fuck that I am strong enough to handle this constant sickness. I hope you all no where I am coming from I am being blunt about this shit cause its a real problem. Wanting to cry sometimes wow been a long time well since I never took paxil. Since I been on it its controlled my life, got a divorce on this shit, because it changed me so much, was violent, aggressive, didn’t take shit from nobody on paxil, now I am back to reality and understand that I have been seriously fucked up on paxil I didn’t believe my wife but it really did change me, god I feel like shit. I wish this demon withdrawl would just go away will it? How long will it take? What are some remedies of getting through this?

    • admin Says:

      Hi Al
      Have a look at Paxil Progress – there are some good people there who will help you.

      Sounds like you did a very quick taper there – I hope you’re feeling OK.

      It does look like you’re getting some perspective on what Paxil did to you (and is still doing) which is good – wanting to cry is a good sign as well – the person inside you is coming back, you’re feeling emotions again after Paxil had hidden them. The withdrawal symptoms will fade in time but it may take a few months.

      Just go with the flow – there’s no quick way.

      Acunpuncture was great for me – expensive but I think it saved me.

      You’re right about the drug changing you… it did the same to me.

      I’m 5 years off it now. You can do it as well.

      Good luck and stay in touch.

  26. mark Says:

    hi all i was on paxil for 12 years tried to come many times to be told my underlying depression coming back finally tried to taper down over 1 year im 6 months free of it but the anxiety and symptoms continue daily it truley is hell. does it cease after say 1 or 2 years im just holding on and hopeing 1 day it will end or is there permanent damage done ?? i feel im going to be like this for the rest of my life…ie a sobbing mess every day….god please help me

    • admin Says:

      It will end.

      What you’re feeling is your emotions coming back.

      It takes time, but you’ve already got so far – stick with it and relax. Don’t put pressure on yourself, just accept it’s going to be slow.

      Good luck

  27. tarre Says:

    I’ve been on 20 mg of Paxil for 9 months and I must say it has helped me with my depression I’ve carried for 10+ years. I do feel better today but within the last month, I’ve been experience sparatic nerve pulsations in the back of my head. I spoke my doctor and she said that I’ve been on it long enough and time to wean myself off. (Didn’t mention my head, I was more concern with getting off because of the weight gain and tireness.) Well, its been 4 days on 10 mgs and I’m feeling really wierd ie; lightheadedness, closing my eyes for just a couple of seconds feel like I’m up in a cloud, sleepiness and the sensation that my brain feels like jello when I turn my head either to the left or right. Are these common side effects? My doctor want me to stay on the 10 mgs for 2 weeks and then switch to every other day until I’m out.

  28. mark Says:

    THANKS ADMIN ,
    ONE MORE QUESTION I SEEM TO BE DAILY FLOODED WITH GUILT NO ONE ELSE HAS MENTIONED IT BUT IM SURE IM NOT THE ONLY ONE …I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THIS TOO WILL STOP AS IT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR……ALSO IS LIBIDO NOW PERMANENTLY GONE OR IS THAT GOING TO TAKE YEATS TO RETURN AS WELL….
    CURRENTLY TAKING PROXANNE A VITAMIN SUPPLEMNT WITH TRYPTOPHANE WHICH IS THE BASE MOLECULE FOR THE BODY TO MAKE SEROTONIN.
    BY THE WAY I WENT FROM 20MG TO 10MG IN 6 MONTHS THEN AFTER 4 MORE MONTHS GOT TO 5MG , TOOK THIS FOR 2 WEEKS THEN TOTALLY QUIT, THENTOOK B12 OMEGA 3 AND THE TRYPTOPHAN VIT. SUPPLEMENTS AND JUST HELD ON IT WAS TRULY HELL HAVENT HAD A JOB SINCE ALL THIS TAPERING BEGAN AND 6 MONTHS ON STILL HAVENT. ILL NEVER TAKE THIS DRUG EVER AGAIN NO MATTER WHAT THE SCENARIO …12 YEARS AGO I DISTINCTLY RECALL MY DOCTOR TELLING ME THESE ARE NOT ADDICTIVE …YEAH RIGHT!! AND WHEN I QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR DRUGS I FELL FOR THE LINE ..WELL IF YOU HAD A BROKEN LEG YOUD GET IT FIXED WOULDNT YOU?

    ANYWAY THATS MY STORY I HOPE IT MIGHT HELP SOMEONE ELSE. MY ADVISE IS TO GET TO A QUARTER AND THEN JUST JUMP OFF IT AND HOLD ON TIGHT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS OF CRAP AND FORGET BEING ABLE TO HOLD DOWN A JOB
    THANKS AGAIN ADMIN FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT ILL UPDATE YOU ON HOW IM DOING AT 10 MONTHS DRUG FREE…I MUST SAY AFTER 6 MONTHS THE MORNINGS WHICH R THE WORST HAVE GOT A LITTLE MORE BEARABLE BUT THERES A LONG WAY TO GO YET

    • mark Says:

      oh yeah one more thing and no one has yet mentioned it but has anyone had this symptom….in the early waking hours of the morning lying in a foetal position and crying destrautingly and desperately
      for your mother ..literally out loud its as if im a 2yr old when in fact im a 40 yr old.

      • mark Says:

        also i cant stop making what can only be descibed as gunea pig noises throughout the day…has any one else got this problem its as is the inside me is sobbing but being externalised as low pitched animal noises , it just goes on and on ….does anyone think i tapered too quickly and its left me with permanent neurological damage? i hate it and this is being 6 months free of it.
        i desparatly want to ring and talk to someone …just to hear a voice on the phone is so comforting …………….when will this hell end.
        why dont the doctors understand…….

  29. maleah Says:

    I’m 26 I started taking paxil 5yrs ago. I’ve still had anxiety attacks nearly everyday feeling trapped shortness of breath and a feeling something bad is gonna happen. I hate the attacks so I went to my Dr yesterday and he wants to try me on lexapro. So I’m a little scared has anyone ever just stopped paxil and went to another that fast?

  30. Monica Says:

    I’ve been on this 10mg of shit for 6 months, didn’t like the effects and have started to wean myself off. My withdrawal symtoms have started off by having painful headaches on one side of my head where I’d never had a headache before. Feeling drunk and bumping into things. I’ve developed verbal ‘ticks’ – talking out loud and repetitively. I have an attitude of I couldn’t give a toss about what people think, feel, say or see. I’ve got the eye-shake thing where your eyes feel loose in their sockets coupled with electric shocks when I look side to side. Hot flushes, weird dreams and the feeling on walking on a bouncy castle all the time. I decided to take 10mg every other day but because it doesn’t stay in the body for long, it’s like a bloody rolle-coaster. I would like 2 answers please that I can’t seem to get any on. 1. Do people recover – ever? Like does anyone succeed in going through withdrawal, come out the other side and feel ‘normal’ again? And 2. Does taking this hideous drug do any permanent physiological change or damage to the brain. In other words, does the brain as an organ receive damage and will recover itself physically after it’s been battered by this chemical? I know that’s quite a difficult question because the tossers who let this drug out of the lab are in a permanent state of denial and don’t know jack shit about the aftermath that this drug does!

    • mark Says:

      monica…i could have writtten your posting i had exactly the same problems and …same questions…im off the drug for 6 months and im still not right.

      • Monica Says:

        Thanks for your comment Mark and sorry to hear that you’re still not ‘right’. It’s total crap ain’t it?! I’m determined to see it through. In fact I can cope with my new ‘attitude problem’ and my lack of tolerance with people – it seems to be benefitting me in lots of ways – namely people think twice before opening their mouths and irritating the bejasus outta me! It’s the physical aspects that are pissing me off. I’m doing cold turkey now – I’m not putting anymore of this poison in me, and I think, like with most of us on here will just have-to see how that goes.. Good luck to you, we will beat it and recover and the more exposure this poison gets the better. I’ve arranged to see my Doctor. Not to have him come up with a weaning plan, oh no… I’m going to be asking him questions that perhaps he’s not had before and more importantly, advised that dishing out these smarties ain’t big or clever! All the best.

  31. pam Says:

    Iam one who has been on seroxat for 15 years, and I have tried to reduce or come off the pills several times, always to go back into anxiety and depression. These pills saved my life when first I took them and I wonder if it is worth trying to stop or carry on as my life is ( fairly) normal for me. I have had anxiety depression since my teens, possibly before, but was not diagnosed as a depressive until 1989. Until then it was “Just nerves” so had tranquilizers on and off. I have had 5 major episodes of depression in my life and just can’t bear the thought of going back there. What to do – I don’t know, and I don’t think Doctors know either.

    • Gerald Says:

      Hi Pam and everyone else,

      I have also been on Seroxat for 15/16yrs now, same story as Pam try coming off and BANG! Depression/Anxiety comes back big time! I feel like as if I was a woman with terrible PMS one week pre menstrual, one week menstrual, one week post menstrual and have like one good day in the month, most of the 15yrs has been spend slowly tapering off and tippy toeing around people not wanting to argue, not feeling strong enough to fight back, paranoid as if people know I’m weird etc and when the lows arrive I put my hands up in the air and say ‘okay, I give up’ in utter desperation, the pain just exhausts you, emotional and physical ones as well.
      In 15yrs on the drug I have noticed that the brain gets used to it and the electric zaps and many other things do not happen anymore, just sheer panic, anxiety, depression, anger etc slowly and progressively days get worse and worse until I CAN’T TAKE IT ANY MORE!!
      I have some ideas that I will be using, the problem in the past is that my brain needs a substitute form Seroxat and that’s a tall order, lets face it St Johns Worts compared to Seroxat is like a weed compared to an Oak Tree (In my experience that is), kava kava didn’t do it for me as well, Chinese medicine didn’t do anything. But this time will plan ahead, I think Magnesium is interesting to supplement as is said to be calming, GABA is good apparently for anxiety which WILL COME make no doubt about that, 5HTP or Tryptophan I may also take along with other vitamins and minerals, may include certain herbs that may help my brain, eating brain healthy foods may assist one in this difficult time, protein and carbs are important too, regular eating times.
      Meditating and getting into a routine before coming off so you have some root may help, strating meditating whilst in the whirlwind of a taper may not work. I say all these things and sometimes think, yeah this is great but this is the Seroxat ME talking, when I’m off it all hell breaks lose and can’t plan, can’t bloody function anymore.
      Paxil forums are good but I found that certain forums or boards will help you and give good advice as long as you listen to what they are saying, if you deviate and say well Seroxat actually saved my life or comment on how a certain member is aggressive although she may have ‘successfully’ come off you’ll be attacked, many of these boards are like women only clubs and when a man gets in and stirs then he is attacked, this is silly as we are all human beings and this Seroxat hell hurts all of us regardless of gender, race, age, social position etc.
      Don’t know yet if I can come off but I hear what all you guys are saying, my doc says I have to stay on for life, I said hmmm.
      Gerald

  32. mark Says:

    im with you on that unfortunately doctors are totally ignorant as ive already asked mine questions yet he seemed totally oblivious to any harm being done which seems odd with the fact the pledge to ‘do no harm’

  33. Giovanna Says:

    Hii ive been on seroxat for the past 3 months and a half, when i first took it i was kind of dizzy. then after that it started feeling great. i felt my depression gong away me randomly crying out of no where was done. i used to have panic attacks every single time i would hear something heartouching and bad that would occur. i used to be so scared of my own body thinking i was going to die today or tommorow! i was one of the toughest people with this i feel so dizzy and so light headed. my blood pressure is low too it gets to 88/60. Im in europe right now ive been here for 10 months but im just tired of this place and im thinking american lifestyle will change everything. i tried getting off of this for a day and i had a severe panic attack all i would do is yell yell and yell!!! my doctor wants me off of it now theough, and he tells me to take it 3 times a week, weekends none!!! Its been cut down to 10mg though. i cant stay a day without it let alone cutting down that much!!! what should i do? i dont want to take this for years and years. i want to get off this myself and be tough about it. what should i do?!!!

  34. Monica Says:

    Well, it’s been 3 months since my last post and I’m glad to say that I have rid myself of this appalling drug, never to be visited again, EVER! Riding the cold-turkey rollercoaster worked for me, although it was very frightening and at times, it was tempting to try and ease the symtoms by topping up with more poison – thus perpetuating the hideous cycle. However, I resisted and the side effects eventually subsided and now have completely gone. In fact, I feel a sense of achievement at healing myself and getting away from this poison and as far as I know, physiologically speaking, there seems to be no permanent damage. My circumstances that led to me seeking assistance have not changed, but the relief I feel in tackling this has in a strange way made me I can cope a bit better in general. I hope that my experience is a positive read that I as one person, I have conquered this nasty substance. I cannot advocate the method I used for anyone else, but want to leave the message that it can and does get better. We humans are very resilient creatures! Good luck to all who are quitting and those about to try…

    • mark Says:

      well its beennearly 7 months since my last post and 13months drug free after taking paxil for 10 years the past 13 months has been hell but i refused to consider going back on….i must say that the anxiety is now tolerable abnd the daily crying spells have lessoned ….so at this rate after another year i might feel human again …cant wait for 12 more months …im praying for more improvement.

  35. Pam Says:

    i have taken Paxil for 15 years. I have quit 4 times. The last time I quit I did it over a year with alot of supplements. At the end of a very long, protracted taper I feel great, super happy that I am clean, feel sexy again, but over about 6 months I spiral down, feel angry about everything, hate my life, my husband, and almost everyone else. So I go back on, because why is life worth living feeling that why? But I feel defeated and sad and cheated that I was ever prescribed this devil pill and do not know what circumstances of my current situation (divorce) are attributable to being on the drug with no sex drive, being off the drug and crying and hopeless, or what to do now. I don’t believe that I could hold a job without the drug, I don’t think my brain can any longer make enough serotonin without the drug. Any one else feel this way or have this long term use? Has anyone had long term use (over 10 years) and stay off and feel happy for more than one year. Do you all go back on????
    Pam

    • Gerald Says:

      Hi Pam,
      It could be the case that after many years of re-uptake the brain has very low levels of serotonin and can’t live without it, I was thinking of tapering and supplementing with GABA for anxiety, 5HTP for depression, mutivitamins/minerals and eating healthy for the brain as well.
      I have also been on them for 15yrs, we should compare notes Pam, how are you now?
      Gerald

  36. Lee Says:

    Paxil is the devil in a little pill. I am hoping to find anyone out there with a success story on how to stay off this nightmare and carryon. I do not take the drug nor have I ever but my husband has been on it for 9 years now and the doctor has increased him from 20 to 40 mgs. He is experiencing almost everything I have read in all the above statements. He has told me he has no interest in anything and hates just about everything. We have two beautiful little children and it takes him everything he has to give the very little attention. He has no interests, no like, lose all drive to do the things he once loved. Ready all of the above has helped me understand what he is going threw. He has tried to reduce and get off these pills and has all the same side effects as most everyone. I will tell you this drug coupled with a few drinks can turn a kitten into a beast. They do not mix and makes you crave alcohol to the point you drink till you pass out and don’t remember much the next day. I’ve been reading allot abou this drug lately. The drug companys say there are no addictive side effects. From what I’ve seen most people are tring their best to hold on to some since of normal life, happiness, feeling of worth and peace. This drug seems to provide that and once you feel better and try to get off of it, well the drug takes it all away from you and you need it once again to get the better you back. Funny sounds like an addiction to me. God Bless all of you struggling to over come this addiction and I wish all of you the best. I pray that you loved once can read the things I’ve ready to get a better understanding of this demon you’re all dealing with. Has anyone got advise, methods that worked for them, activities, supplement ideas or alternatives to help as we are going to embark on a weaning off process very soon. I don’t want to trade one evil for another. But, all of you are better then this drug and you will I pray get throuth this. Doctors these days seem to be to quick to prescribe with out a goal in mind. I’m looking for suggestions, answers, help for the one I love. God bless you all.
    Lee

  37. Jaded Says:

    What I CAN NOT understand is why there are so many people experiencing these withdrawal effects and yet none of this is being reported to the drug regulating agencies. Adverse drug reactions can and should be reported. I thought I was having a stroke 3 weeks ago….no just Paxil withdrawal? WTF

  38. Tina Says:

    Okay… this is crazy!!! Why didn’t my doctor tell me any of this before he put me on the paxil?? And why did I need such a strong drug for anxiety? But until I started having horrible, vivid nightmares, and problems in the bedroom, the paxil seemed to be working great. When I had been taking paxil for just a little over 2 months I went to him (Friday the 26th) about the nightmares and he stopped the paxil. Cold Turkey… exactly what I’ve been reading on different sights that you shouldn’t do. Immediately after stopping the paxil he put me on celexa. Well 2 days into the celexa comes the dizziness, the zaps in my head that feel like electric shocks, The unsteady gait, and the feeling like I’m going to pass out. I was at work the morning that all the symptoms started. I work in healthcare, and had my blood pressure and sugar checked to rule them out. Nothing physical seemed wrong. This was Sunday. So, Monday, back to the doctor I went. And he took me off of everything to let my body get back to normal. Tuesday I couldn’t even walk around the grocery store to buy groceries. So, I went back. I didn’t have a doctor’s visit, but he did come talk to me. I tried to explain to him what was happening to me. But it’s hard to explain when you’re not sure yourself. He didn’t really have anything helpful to say. I told him I cant afford to keep calling in to work, but I am scared to drive, and I am not sure I could handle all of this at work. I have started seeing shadows and glimpses of light mostly down by the floor. I am becoming nauseous. My head is killing me. And these blame ‘zaps’ in my head are driving me up the wall. Now sometimes it feels like it runs through my whole body. Today is Wednesday. 5 days off the paxil. How long does this take? I have been online most of the day trying to find a glimmer of hope. From what I am seeing this kind of thing has been going on for quite a while. And they can say this isn’t addiction withdrawals all they want to. They won’t convince me. Why aren’t there more answers and if there are why can’t I find them? How do I report this? Who do I report it to? Can anyone help me?

  39. Cathy Says:

    I’m glad I found this post on the symptoms of withdrawing from paxil. I am going through alot of these symptoms. My head feels weird, I am on the edge most of the time. I’m letting every little things bother me. I try to start arguments with my boyfriend, I don’t want to do anything, and I am pissed off at everyone. I was ready to go back on it because I don’t want to be like that. I don’t want to be like this either, afraid it’s going to hurt my relationship with my boyfriend. As you can probably tell, I can’t even think straight while I’m writing this. Will I ever feel better? I was also told that it wasn’t an addicting drug, now will I be messed up in the head forever…I am 63 years old. They put me on it when I lost my husband, so I’ve been on it for about 5 years now. Should I continue taking it or hang in there?

    • admin Says:

      I’m not sure if you’re withdrawing or not Cathy… how long have you been off Paxil? How fast did you taper it?

      It does get better, but we’re all different. Only you know how you really feel about going back on it.

      I am better off without Seroxat.

      You must let your Doctor know what you’re doing and how you’re doing it.

  40. Cathy Says:

    Thanks you for replying so soon. I tapered myself off of the paxil very slowly. It’s been about a month since I took the last one. I was down to taking a half one (10 mg) every two days, then 3, once a week, then I just stopped taking them. It just seems like I didn’t get like this until after I stopped. That’s why I was wondering if I should go back on it just to see if it is. But I really don’t want to depend on it, and I really don’t want to be this way. The doctor told me how to wean myself off, so I know I did that right. Maybe I should just wait another month to see if I still feel this way. I was put on it after my husband passed away 5 years ago, and I sometimes would have panic attacks. It was helping me get through the days, and deal with the loss. Now I’m wondering if I’m dealing with all that now. I feel like I’m going through “the change” (which I heard it helps you with that too), but I did that already. I really don’t want to go back on it, don’t know if it harms your body taking it for a long time, especially to your head. I couldn’t describe how your head would feel weird sometimes, but reading other posts on what they say is about the best way to describe it. I hope I make sense, it helps to have someone that knows about the symptoms you’re going through. People that don’t take it don’t know how to help you. My boyfriend doesn’t like me this way, he worries, but he doesn’t know how to help. Men don’t like dealing with a crybaby all the time either. I have been retired for 2 years now so I have more free time on my hands, I know that doesn’t help. It already has helped me to find a post about this subject. Thank you again for the reply!

    • admin Says:

      Well done for getting this far – you’ve done so well to stop taking it.

      I’m sorry to tell you but it will probably take longer than a month for you to feel better/normal… it sounds like it may take a while for you. Seems to me you’re suffering withdrawal problems, but you’ve DONE IT!!!!

      You’ve managed to stop!

      There was no way I was going to g back on it once I’d stopped – you will get better but it may take a longer time. Don’t put a time limit on it.

      I think what happens is that your emotions come back – or rather you can feel them again – hence the crying. You’re right, in a way you’re dealing with things from 5 years ago.

      Let your boyfriend read this site and I hope it’ll help him understand – all he needs to do is to be there for you.

      Time is what you need – take it easy.

  41. Cathy Says:

    Thank you for the reply. I think it’s easier to chat with someone who is going through about the same things. I’ll check in soon to let you know how it’s going. I’m just trying to keep busy.
    Thanks again

  42. Marrianne Oaks Says:

    If you want multiple C/T’s with no time to heal that drug damage, take it every other day, then three and so on. This will leave you in drug chains forever. This is what many doctors and pharmacists suggest doing!

    It works like this. You take the drug and it is eliminated by your body naturally. Then ,without the drug, you go into withdrawal because your brain now is so changed it needs the drug. You stay off for that day or three going through hell and then take the next dose approved by your doctor..

    This further enforces the drug harm again. Then you try to go through the foolish process again and again harming yourself more and more.

    Brains don’t change quickly. They need time to come back to normal. Going on and of like that just keeps you in hell until you realize how stupid that method was.

    Any doctor who can’t think better than that should be put away.

    You will be able to recover by maintaining lower and lower levels of drug EVENLY!

    Read at . Yeah this is for benzodiazepine patients but the brain heals the same way…slowly and evenly when you taper slowly and evenly.

    Addiction? I think not. A compulsion to use is not the same animal as a need to take a drug to survive the drug’s harmful effects. Medical doctors learned the difference, but they like blaming their patient victims so they call them addicts.

  43. liqouricelady Says:

    I have been on seroxat for 13 years, never had any problems at all. I have managed to lower the doses over time and it was fine. I’m still on it now, and have no problem with that, as it has made me feel 100% better. Just wanted to get across the alternative point of view.

    • admin Says:

      That’s good – you’re lucky.

      Why are you still taking it?

    • Diana Hrdina Says:

      Hi there
      Out of interest, what dose reduction did you successfully make?
      IE, how many milligrams were you taking and how much did you reduce by?
      And over what period of time?

      …I am getting severe withdrawal . I was on 20mg four weeks ago and I am now down to 5mg. This is my 3rd attempt and the most successful. This time I was prescribed Serequel 25mg ( 2 daily) to counteract the withdrawal.
      My psychiatrist and GP said coming off should be fine/no worries but it has been horrible:-
      …intensely frightening, macabre dreams ( like you would see on an R-rated horror movie, night sweats, electric “chills” through my spine and legs, unusual body temperature changes, “swishy” head ( like the feeling you get when you have a middle ear infection),ringing in ears, aching body/flu-like feeling, fits of intense crying and rages over nothing/tiny things eg the leaves being hard to rake up!!! Hubby and kids just look at me as if to say WHAT THE HELL?!
      I have been on and off different SSRI’s over the past 20 years for anxiety and depression and have never noticed any withdrawal symptoms coming off the others. But this is really really hard and no one around me seems to believe me. My psych and hubby have said “you have to watch that it isn”t just your anxiety/depression coming back” is exhasberating and maybe the most lonely difficult part of thins whole withdrawal and makes me need to write on this forum and know there are people who can here me and understand

      Diana

      • admin Says:

        Diana – a good rule of thumb is to reduce by no more than 10% each step and take as long as you need to stabilise between reductions. That means that now your reductions will be much smaller each time.

        As for “…psych and hubby have said “you have to watch that it isn”t just your anxiety/depression coming back”…” – well, I think you and me know they’re both wrong, so wrong – it’s just withdrawal from the meds. Pure and simple.

        What you’re describing will all pass – it’ll be slow but it will pass and you’re doing one of the hardest things that you will ever do in the whole of your life.

        Seroxat withdrawal is a bitch if you happen to suffer.

        You can do it.

        Good luck.

      • admin Says:

        And another thing Diana – I think you’re reducing much too fast… it took me 22 months to get down from 30mgs

        You got the liquid Paxil?

      • Tillie Says:

        I think you are reducing too fast. I have been on 5mg for 7weeks and am now stable, but I am not going to go down to 2.5mg until another month. Its took my body 6 weeks to recover from withdrawal symptoms and I don’t want to experience this again as yet. Good luck the symptons do stop but I empathsize with you.

      • admin Says:

        Tillie – that’s a 50% reduction you’re planning… are you sure?

  44. Gerald Says:

    I agree, if I am on it I feel absolutely GREAT, only if I try to taper off then the rollercoaster begins.
    The reason to taper? Well I heard some people talk about poop out after 15yrs or so and that means the drug dtops working, then you have two problems depression back and you have to taper which sounds confusing to say the least and frightning.
    As to another reason, I have liver function tests yearly if I can and care about the state of my liver, my doc recently told me that if it doesn’t give you problems with the first year or so then it won’t give you problems now.
    I understand what licoricelady is saying and jmust say it did save my life, but don’t like the fact that I CANNOTcome off it.

  45. Gerald Says:

    Pam how are you now?
    I will try coming off soon hope to introduce GABA and 5htp been also 16yrs on this
    Gerald

    • pam Says:

      Hi Gerald, thanks for your replies. My doctor also says I will need it for life, which I resent. However, I have jsut gone through a divorce after 19 years of marriage and am in the midst of reorganizing my life to include working full time, parenting half time, buying my first home, insurance issues, etc…. So there is no way I would try and go off Paxil at this point in time. I do believe it has done permanent altering of my brain chemistry, and how long it would take to come back to it’s original abilities in terms of serotonin production, uptake etc. (if ever!) may not be a manageable exercise for me in my life now. On top of using Paxil I now use Provigil daily for energy and mood brighteneing. I like it, it helps me, but I dont like using more drugs instead of less. I have also taken up alcohol again after many years of not drinking at all- but I am not overdoing it, I am using it, helps for temporary coping but know I will stop once I am settled (the alcohol, not the paxil). So, how am I now? Not great, not terrible, surviviing….. I do beleieve GABA will help, and I can pull out some old info I have that may be useful to you. A program called The Road Back has good suppliements. though I dont put any faith in their research, it is all hit and miss. TrueHope is another program out of Canada that may offer something of value in quitting. Good luck Gerald. I cant imagine trying now with working ft, etc….. Best of luck my friend, and fellow Paxil sufferer.

  46. Jon Says:

    I just want to thank all of you including the writer of this article for possibly saving my life from going from bad to worse. I believe I suffer from chronic depression, anxiety, and OCD. I have my good days and bad but the depression and anxiety really make it tough for me to get the most out of my life, mainly being figuring out what to do with it. It is like I am mentally blocked from being able to choose a career path and as a result I have suffered through several low-paying dead end jobs which I believe make my condition worse. At the urging of my family, I agreed to try to get some kind of help. No money, insurance, ect makes that kind of difficult. So I signed on to partake in a study on a new drug which may be used to treat depression. I figured I would try it, for my family, perhaps improve my situation, and if not, maybe if this drug is effective then my participating in this may help someone else who is depressed.

    I took two trips to the medical office, the first was to determine if I would qualify for this study. After being put under the impression that I did, I was given paperwork to read through and scheduled for another appointment, this time with the lead investigative doctor. I went to the second appointment and I suppose after just 2 minutes of talking to me this doctor knows everything about me and how I feel. First off, the questions asked were very generalized, as if all people who have mental issues are the same and all fit exactly into certain categories. He asked me to describe “which one of these lines describes your life and how you feel” and pointed to a bunch of squiggly lines he drew on the back of his notebook. Kind of hard for me to describe my life through a certain line on a sheet of paper, I have my good days and bad, but it is difficult to describe my exact feelings. He asked me about the time when I was 14, when I was going to counseling and put on medication, prozac and luvox. He asked me if that helped at all, well I was a 14 year old kid, I didn’t think I was much different than anyone else at the time. All I could remember was the medication drained me of energy, it put me in a zombie-like state. I thought that the counseling and medication did nothing for me except make me feel different than my peers, an outcast. I didn’t feel any different other than the severe lack of energy from the medication.

    I was informed by the “doctor” I did not qualify for the study. I did not fit the exact criteria for what he was looking for. So I was taken aback when I read this from the article above…”“The drug companies work like crazy to keep them out of their studies,” he continues. “When you look at the entrance requirements for these trials, they don’t want people who are suicidal, they don’t want people with long-term depression. They want people with nice, circumscribed depressions. They don’t want people who are going to sue them.” That is kind of the way I felt when I was booted out of the doctors office that day. On the way out, nobody on the staff would even look at me it was if they were ashamed. Oh, on the way out, I was told my condition was treatable..with Paxil This gave me some hope. The lead doctor told me of a drug that is cheap and easy to get that would make me feel better. He scribbled some barely legible instructions on his business card and finished throwing me out.

    I got home with a positive outlook on this situation, feeling good that what I have is “treatable.” I did a little research on Paxil, and I was alarmed. I found much more negative than positive about this drug. The laundry list of side effects while on it, and the nightmarish issues people suffer from due to withdrawal, their struggle to get off this addictive medication. I saw stories of suicide, instances of extreme rage, hellish nightmares, and people praying they could be like they used to be before taking paxil. People with depression asking for their previous life back..that is saying something.

    This whole experience is why I have always been and always will be skeptical of “getting help” because I just saw it as throwing an individual into a certain class of people, pumping them full of drugs, asking them uncomfortable personal questions, all the while doing nothing to improve the quality of living. Everyone falls into a certain criteria supposedly. I honestly believe these doctors are no better than crew workers at McDonalds. They half ass their way through their work like anybody else and I think that medicine is more of a business than about helping people get better..it is all about money. The way I see it, getting on medication would only add on to my list of problems..I do not need addiction and withdrawal in addition to my other issues. These medications, the way I see it, people struggling with mental issues are highly oppressed and the medications these doctors prescribe are nothing more than shackles to lock up the unwanted minds of today’s society.

    Thank you all for sharing your experiences with paxil and for giving me the truth..I wonder if that doctor that told me to get on this stuff was aware of half of the bad things this drug is capable of? Ahh what the hell did he care anyways, I am just a statistic in his eyes any how.

  47. Trey Maguire Says:

    Hello everyone.

    Has anyone else had this effect from Seroxat? I am a 32 year old father of 3. Lately things in my life went bad while I was on a social work placement. I was accused of being ‘manic’ and I was feeling depressed. I actually had just stopped taking Seroxat because I was recovering from the flu and had been experiencing extreme leg pain. Stabbing pains that nearly made me crash my car.

    Anyway that is not my main point. My main point is that since crappy things happened I went back onto the drug and took it for about two weeks solid. Yet again I noticed that old friend, waking up in the morning with a feeling of absence in the bed with me. My wife was there and my horny too, like any normal guy but I had a headache. And if I tried to play with my little friend I got headache pains that replaced any feeling of enjoyment. So I decided to ditch the drugs.

    Well here we are a few days later and I’ve savaged my wife yet again, shouting at her. I’ve chased after my wife swearing and shouting, and I’ve behaved like an unreasoning dick. I have a headache, and I feel scared half of the time. When I wake up in the morning I feel pissed off when the events I am living through at the moment flood into my head. I was enjoying being Doctor Who in my sleep last night, and woke up without a Tardis and without a job. I don’t know how to feel, I just feel useless and scared most of the time. Like I’m too old to be going through this shit. I should be better than this…

    I won’t go back on Seroxat, but my Doctor says I need it. I say its withdrawal and I’m therefore acting worse than I would otherwise. Plus I hate the idea of ending up dickless again, because when I can’t even have sex with my wife to cheer myself up there is a problem.

    Anyone else had this sort of experience?

    • joe m Says:

      Trey, they put me on paxil about 2002 and it seemed to not work for me, side aftects.
      so they keep uping my dose started at 25 mg, well i was up to 75mg and was going nuts.
      i quit cold turkey! hell bbecame my life and long story short i am now homeless, i have lost
      everthing,and still cant find help!
      its like a lie,had a great job,kids a nice house, all gone,im dumb as a box of rocks.
      and all the things other have said are so true, be carfull i no it was the paxil but you wont
      find a dr. to say it is! its been about 6 yrs now being off abd still get some zaps time to time.
      best of luck and agian be carfull.
      oh pal i hate to tell you this i havnt had sex for over 8 or so yrs! i’m 56 and getting tired of it!
      GlaxoSmithKline is a monster and i hope to you all a beter life then me!

  48. sue Says:

    I have taken Paxil for 10 yrs. While taking it, I have never had another panic attack but my depression has returned on and off during this time. I to, have attempted to stop taking this med-cold turkey the 1st time, and tapering the med several times since. My friends and family told me to never try discontinueing again because I was a totally different person without it. It just does not work to try and get off it. It is definitely gonna be Paxil for life for me. I wonder sometimes, if I couldn’t get the med for some reason-I would die. The side effects of not having it is nasty. My hands feel like there swelling up and deflating like one of the cartoon characters Ive seen on tv, headache, anxiety, stomache ache, and definitely crying, mood swings. And yes, the doctors really believe this med is not addictive, I have seen the MD stop this med completely and/or start another antidepressant for their patient. If I was the patient, I think it could kill me without it. And it does not help-telling the doc about our experience with it, they dont believe it.

    • admin Says:

      Problem is Sue, that the Paxil may well stop working for you one day… anyway, as long as you believe it’s good for you and working then that’s all that matters.

      I thought that once.

  49. sue Says:

    hey joe-man, get back on the Paxil and get your life back man. sooooooooo sorry!!!

  50. Rick Says:

    Easier to quit smoking than to quit Paxil.

  51. Sharon Says:

    I weaned off officially 3 days ago – felt good throughout, but yesterday and today the electric zaps are so bad as is this feeling of being delayed – kind of like when someone is talking on the television and their lips don’t match up with their words – it’s literally making me nauseaus – called my doctor who said to go back to the lowest does for a bit and then wean again – someone else said that it is normal to have withdrawal symptoms for weeks after – I quit smoking after 22 years and yes it was easier – btw it’s very common to put you on something else why you’re weaning off Paxil – from what I understand Paxil is the worst of all the drugs which is why I’m determined to get off even if I have to go on something else.

    • monica Says:

      Hi Sharon, I just read your post and what you’re going through at the moment. I had a lot of side effects for a while and was even tempted to go back on this hideous poison. That is exactly how I viewed it, poison! II truly believe if you can try and bear the symtoms without masking them with another drug, it will be worth it in the end. I know it’s unbearable at times and very frightening. It sometimes feels like you’ll always get zaps and other weird stuff randomly happening. It took several months of struggling and gritted teeth and determination not to let it control me and now I’m fully recovered. Obviously, whatever you decide to do, please get guidance from your Doctor as I’m not medically trained to advise you, I can only tell you my story on here and hope it gives you the strength and confidence to carry on keeping off it and allow your body to adjust in its own time. The very best of luck and best wishes to you.

  52. Rachele Says:

    Ive been on Paxil for apprx. 13yrs. It did wonders for my terrible OCD & Anxiety Attacks! But little for my Major Depression. There have been several times that for whatever reasons I had been without my Paxil for short periods of time. And by the 3rd day I started having withdrawl symptoms, or more like a living nightmare!!! Severe electrical shocks about every ten minutes, Non Stop terrifying Anxiety Attacks, uncontrolabl Mood Swings where I couldnt stop crying. At bed time, just as I was to dooze off to sleep, my throat would close up, where I couldnt breatte,& as if I was being sufficated to death!!! Terrifying to say the least!!

  53. Tillie Says:

    I was given paxil when suffering abuse from a voilent partner. At first it helped but over the years has caused me to make bad decisions and have acidents due to unsteadiness. I have taken it for 16 years but have been reducing to for approx. 4 years. From 30mg to 5mg a day. This current dose of 5mg has been 5 weeks. I have good days and anxious days. The mornings are the worst I take exercise, vitamin b6 and omega 3, primrose oil and multivits. I am determined to be paxil free but feel I need to stabelise before I reduce my dose further. I am very pleased to have found you site and have found it very helpful.


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